When you stop to think about how many companies once specialized in creating road-going R/Vs using powerplants from everyday cars and trucks, it’s amazing that there’s not a bigger industry today of R/V conversion companies. Oddballs like this 1966 Ultra Van here on craigslist and spotted by Barn Finds reader Howie B. stand out as testament to the wild imaginations of camper builders in the 1960s.
Designed by a professional aircraft engineer and built in limited quantities, the Ultra Van featured a monococque structure and a mixture of fiberglass and aluminum surfaces. The suspension was fully independent and power came from a 110 b.h.p. Corvair engine. I believe the engine and PowerGlide automatic were positioned towards the rear of the van, beneath the rear sleeping quarters.
The cabin is nothing if not utilitarian, and this photo almost makes me wonder if something is missing! Spartan for sure but hopefully it translates into less stuff to break. Although the seller claims this Ultra Van is in good running condition, I can see where potential hurdles exist as it relates to finding original trim or other pieces that are likely not being reproduced. With only 376 Ultra Vans made, finding spares will be a challenge.
The pictures make it hard to get a proper sense of dimensions, but it does look quite spacious inside. The curvatures of the body seem to help create space in the Ultra Van, and the bed in the back is said to measure over 7.5 feet square! Clothes closets, toilet and sink, a kitchen with stove and other homey features can all be found in the Ultra Van. For only $2,800, is this Ultra Van worth picking up and restoring back to its original glory?
Got one also in the restoration phase. The cabin is as you see it – nothing more than the instrument panel and a pair of 2×2 seats… and those ain’t fastened down! You are correct with the engine placement – both at the rear, driving modified Corvair axles and trailing arms. Parts are scarce… you can find ’em if you look hard enough. Windshields are the toughest, but available. Good price for a project coach… just expect to spend at least 10x that to get it back in presentable condition. Personally, I’m rebuilding from the ground up, modernizing as I go.
Huh, there’s two Ultravan owners on here then. What number is yours? Mine’s #307 as seen here: http://imgur.com/a/L6JkB
That’s a pretty good price if just for the parts. Hopefully someone will nail it back together enough to use. That one from the hoarders show quite some time back showed up and someone bought that one, even though it was literally torn in half and all the glass was broken in one way or another. There aren’t many I would say should be junked, but that one was for sure one that’s best use was parting out to help other ones. This one looks intact enough to make workable, especially if the glass is good.
Nice! 436 is mine, mostly chronicled as I work on it here http://www.ultravan.club/index.php?topic=4.0 Are you part of the Yahoo group and/or FB group, Jay?
I would give you more thumbs up for your great blog post on your trip, but there isn’t that option. Owning the RV you were conceived in, eeeww or wow… I’m not sure which. Fishing a carb butterfly screw out through a spark plug hole by the side of the road on while on a trip? Classic.
If it used Corvair stuff in back, did it also use widened Corvair suspension up front?
Nope, custom cast aluminum lower A-arms, and steel threaded rod and turnbuckle for the uppers (!!). Surprisingly, it works. And unsurprisingly, some intrepid owners have made their own front suspension modifications.
The earlier and later ones have different aluminum lowers. The later ones have much beefier A arms that are less prone to breakage. The turnbuckle setup is kinda neat, least it makes adjusting things easier. It’s not the best suspension setup, but it’s not the worst I’ve seen, so long as you don’t over load it like there’s a 1 ton truck chassis under there. Ultravans were an RV that was ahead of their time for what the public knew how to deal with and operate.
Replying to Rick here for the comment above since it won’t let me reply to that one due to how this sites comment section works.
“Nice! 436 is mine, mostly chronicled as I work on it here http://www.ultravan.club/index.php?topic=4.0 Are you part of the Yahoo group and/or FB group, Jay?”
I’m not on the facebook group as I don’t, and will never have a facebook account, and the yahoo group I’ve mostly avoided due to a particularly hard to deal with, very opinionated Canadian that frequents it. In general though I really like everyone I’ve met in the club, I just don’t need a peanut gallery vetting everything I do to my personal vehicle (specifically that one guy).
The club support is one of the best parts of the club, though man some of the members are gettin’ old. I don’t know that I’m the youngest in the club still but I’m one of them.
Anyhow if you’d like to chat more, my email is listed in the GIANT WALL OF TEXT lower down on the page. Drop me a line, I’d love to chat. :)
The plan on mine is in a few years get it sorted enough to travel around and put a great many miles on it seeing the countryside. It runs and drives as is, but there’s a lot of little things from years of neglect before I got it that still need fixed.
Have a whale of a day! :)
Everything you’d want to know;
http://www.corvair.org/chapters/ultravan/
When you get that nomad itch….ya gotta wear a leopard skin shirt…so the wife know you’re serious when it comes time to rumble in the jungle!
http://www.curbsideclassic.com/curbside-classics-american/curbside-classic-ultra-van-cross-an-airplane-with-a-corvair-for-the-most-radical-rv-ever/
Great article.
Live the photo of the two couples sitting beside each other LOL.
take us to your leader
I own #307, and I can tell you that the view out of the front of this is second only to the view astride a motorcycle in field of vision. When you’re driving this thing across the desert or through anywhere scenic you get an almost uninterrupted vista laid out in front of you. The windshields are sourced from late 50’s chevy step vans, and I seem to recall they’re flipped upside down, and then a few inches of the inside edge are trimmed off to make that center section fit flush. It’s not the best solution, but ain’t bad for something designed in the late 50’s.
I believe the one in this picture is #2 of the factory built ones. It was used in a lot of publicity stuff and was eventually sold to some art students from Korea and their teacher. It got hit hard in the rear by a drunk driver that left the scene and was totaled. It’s presumed lost, but these things have a way of hiding out for decades so it’s possible it’s still out there somewhere.
Heck, the prototype is still around, the very first one ever made by the original designer for his own personal use, and it’s pretty neat and VERY different in pretty much every way other than conceptual than the later factory built ones.
That looks like a corvair dash and steering wheel.
It is. The dashes in these can be pretty different as some were updated over the years, usually in the 70’s and 80’s. Most of them seem to have rolled out of the factory with the Corvair dash cluster and wheel, and a terrible Ford Falcon plastic handle parking brake that tended to snap the handle portion off. My fathers solution was to weld the steel parking brake arm out of the car onto the steering column and that works much much better. The added leverage really helps keep them in place. Have seen a number of them with that modification done.
About 10 yrs ago, I got one of these running again, but was difficult to start as a bunch of teeth on the torque converter ring gear were gone & I had to replace the starter nose as it had broken off due to the bad mesh! Had to manually put the TQ in the right position to get enough teeth lined up for the starter to give it a good spin without crashing. Engine ran pretty well, but when I examined the steering linkages with an idea to maybe buy it, I it was pretty mickeymouse, with more bushed pivots than honest balljoints, so the slop really added up – not my idea of good engineering – more like a pedal kiddycar linkage! There’s a fairly strong Ultravan club, with a lot of experience, but overall the turnbuckle rear suspension and steering, plus the tendency for some part of the front suspension – I think the cast alum. parts mentioned – to crack, shut down my enthusiasm. Still, the one I worked on was worth restoring for the right person, as its panache was that it was the one that Jamie Lee Curtis used in one of her movies, and it was in much better condition overall than this one.
The front suspension has a ton of play if it’s worn. Mine was very scary to drive from LA to Portland back when I got it. Replacing the bushed joints are okay, if rather light weight for an RV, and work fine if replaced with new parts. That was one of the first major upgrades I did to mine was to replace a lot of that and sort out some scary suspension stuff the previous owner had done. New tires helped tremendously as well. World of difference driving it now vs when I got it. Frankly I’m not sure how I made it to Oregon in it that first time.
Are you the guy that blogged about your adventure?
Here is #251 for sale in my area. It has been listed for quite some time, even though the ad only shows 9 days. Not very descriptive, but there is a phone number.
https://boise.craigslist.org/cto/5928026280.html
I recognize that one. It’s gutted inside but has potential for someone to rebuild. The glass is good on it so that’s a major plus. No engine or transmission as I recall. The current owners were going to put it on modern drivetrain and a modern frame but I guess that project never happened. That one would be a good candidate to delete all the windows and make a giant panel van.
Would it even be possible to get the body straight on this again?
You can, but it’s far easier to just reskin it. The curved portions are super heavy duty thick fiberglass, so they tend to stay straight, the rest is just curved. If it’s not leaking, just polish it and the dents will give it character.
(Wow this came out long, uh, you may want to scroll past this if you don’t want to know a LOT about these things :)
This one is probably a decent buy. The price is good. If you want to see more pictures inside one, here’s a gallery about when I got mine. Mine is different and less original with a different engine and modified bed area and has been completely rewired with much better industrial grade wiring, but overall it’s very similar. It can be seen here http://imgur.com/a/L6JkB and was actually featured on this site a while back.
This is actually a very original coach. The stuff in it is tattered but it’s original. The paneling in it looks in decent shape, it’s formica and is impossible to find that particular pattern, but it can be replaced with less brittle new stuff with the exception of the curved walls in the rear corner which are larger than 4×8 sheets.
It still has the original sun visors, dash, steering column, and corner of window defogger fans, though the rubber blades are missing. The engine bay looks stock, looks like a twin carb engine which will move this just fine. Mine has a 140 4 carb engine with two carbs deleted for mpg and simplicity reasons, and even with 2 the thing scoots down the highway just fine.
The deck in the rear is a fire hazard, but is made that way from the factory. The best bet is to delete all the wood flooring back there and replace it with sheet aluminum. It will be stronger, less likely to rot, and won’t catch fire, plus it allows for a single flat mattress instead of two single beds, because lets be honest, bigger beds are better and when it’s flat it allows a weirdly shaped but large bed somewhere between a queen and king in size.
The outside still has the original door hinges, which many people later replaced with a solid piano hinge. These look better and if they’re not worn out work just fine. The piano hinge required cutting up the door to get it to fit right, and it whistles in the wind. That’s not a terrible problem because frankly everything on these whistles in the wind.
I see it also has the stock side window in the door which is mostly useless. It’s nice to have a window there but a more traditional camper window that slides up and down is a better idea both for ventilation and visibility. These things if they don’t have good mirrors, which they didn’t from the factory, can be a pain to see out of.
Interestingly, it has air vents in the nose, which is sort of unusual. Mine has that, those little rectangles crank out like an RV roof hatch, and provide direct air flow from that huge front wall right between your legs. Let me tell ya, it’s like having a refreshing if somewhat alarming leafblower pointed at your tenders which is both great on hot days and bad if you happen to drive through a swarm of insects. The screens in them only stop so many bug parts. I prefer not to think about that part of mines maiden voyage so lets move on.
The wheel covers, I’d be curious to see if they’ve always been on it as they look like the ones in the as new photo of mine. They’re similar vintage anyway.
the roof vent pipe is for the bathroom and kitchen sink, and it and the other roof vent stack cover are stock. These never had factory air and it looks like nobody added it to this.
This one has never been repainted, because the two gold stripes down the side are how they were shipped new. They were a sort of off white cream color with two gold foil stripes down the side. There’s only a few places on mine where you can still see that since it’s been repainted at least once. It looks like all the side doors are stock in where they belong, though that’s hard to tell since these things could be special ordered so very few of them came out identical.
I’d wager the three under floor tanks in this are junk. They’re aluminum and are about 30 gallons. They use a macerator pump on the toilet so you could empty the tank with a garden hose since it’d chew up anything put down the hole into a gross slurry. Pretty much the same stuff you’d have on a boat of that era. The toilets in these are actually boat units if I recall. Wouldn’t mind having an original for mine since the later plastic toilets are much larger and more flimsy.
the aluminum tanks eventually rotted out (surprise) from having acidy food and human waste and fuel in them. They form the floor support as they go across from one ‘frame’ rail to the other. Walking on the thin plywood on them would cause them to buckle and crack and leak. That was a poor design overall but it’s one that’s fixable with new tanks and a bit of bracing. I need to do this to mine. The other issue with them is that fuel tank. It is almost as perfectly as wide as the door, and is directly under it. The fill spout on the driver side is only an inch or two higher than the vent overflow tube on the passenger side which runs up the door frame, and dumps out into the wheel well…pointing directly at the back of the passenger side brake drum. So, the fun here is if you overfill it with a modern pump it will pressurize it and spray fuel out all over the backing plate of the brakes and ground. It’s a really stupid design that’s not terribly hard to correct if you know about it. MOST of the design on these is outstanding and very smart for the era, but some of the rushed to production based off a very different prototype stuff really shows. There is luckily a great club for them.
The cabinets look stock and it’s hard to tell but I don’t think it has the optional cabinets over the bed and in the roof corners along the living space and over the kitchen. Not all of them have it and storage can be a bit minimal without them. The cabinets in these are 1×1 wood frame with formica glued to the outside, they’re remarkably strong and very light weight, since weight was an issue. These tended to weigh not much more than what the stock Corvair shipped as so other than wind messing with them pretty badly they don’t have much problem motivating themselves.
If the windshield glass is good, that’s a major bonus, the windshields are sourced from chevy step vans in the late 50’s and early 60’s and are mounted upside down with trimmed inner edges to allow that flat square center section of glass. You can put them in unmodified but will need to change the center frame to accept the rounded corners. They look kinda neat if you do this, gives it a more submarine look, as if they didn’t look like a submarine anyway.
Driving these is weird since you sit on top of the front driver side wheel to do so. Man you KNOW when the tire is out of round. At nearly 8ft wide up front, narrower in the rear even with lengthened Corvair axels, it’s harrowing on narrow roads when a semi or inattentive driver goes by extra close. These things are sorta like sailing, you learn how it gets pushed away from the air semi trucks move as they get close, then gets pulled inwards towards them as they pass. Those modern trucks with the air baffles under the trailers are awesome since they do this far less than regular old style semi trailers.
You will never, and I mean NEVER run out of people to talk to if you buy this. Every gas station, every stop, someone will want to know about it. You could have the hottest car at a car show, and you will never get talked to as much as driving even a ratty ultravan. People love them, kids love them, and once in a while someone actually knows what it is. I had a bunch of stickers made for mine and have given out probably a few hundred at this point.
If you buy an Ultravan, get familiar with how Corvair engines work, you’ll need it. They’re decent engines really if ya understand them. They’re tougher than they might seem and are remarkably easy to work on.
The UltraVan is a tinkerers vehicle. This is not a hop in it and drive thousands of miles non stop vehicle. They’re slow, and awkward, but because of that they can be pretty relaxing to travel in because you’re not in a rush, they’re nice and roomy inside, which those photos don’t show well.
I would guess this one got parked in the 80s. The Ultra Coach emblems on it are plastic and falling apart. Those emblems were made by someone in the UltraVan club who had a stick up their butt about having their expensive and unique RV’s associated with the van craze of the 70’s. So, they would remove the cast aluminum UltraVan emblems and replace them with these plastic ones someone had made up. A coach is so much more regal than a van, hah. Come on man, the thing looks like an over weight land locked whale. There’s nothing majestic about these things, and I own one. It’s part of the charm. I’ve spent equal time swearing at 307 as I have praising it.
Oh, they’re all numbered, that 277 is the VIN number, as well as serial number. They came in phases so a 200 series is pretty early, it’s earlier than my 300 series. So this would in theory be the 77th of the 200 series. There aren’t many in the 100 series, but some are still around. #1 is completely different, and it’s still around, but that’s a whole ‘nother text wall.
Anyhow, the too long didn’t read version of this novel is, this is a good price on a very rough but very original coach, and if someone is good at tinkering and fixing things, this would be a VERY unique ride that maybe only a couple hundred other people on the planet have. I hope someone gets this and restores it, but I’d be happy if someone just put it back on the road, even if it is with their own personal touches. These will NEVER be built again.
Anyhow, if you’d like to know more send questions to jaygryph@gmail.com and I can point ya in the right direction.
If ya read all that, ya deserve a medal :D
Great stuff! Interesting writing. Jesse, turn him loose on BF! His blog on his Ultra is just freaking amazing.
Oh hey! I was just browsing through here for the first time in years (I’m not that much of a car nut so I don’t think about it often) when I saw this post and you all over it. I saw you post about this on Reddit a while back. Love your ultravan and reading all your posts about it. Such a neat vehicle.
I found one of these in Hyampom,CA,a place
in Trinity County,which is in the middle of nowhere –
(+ 5 miles).
While on a British car run,we stopped at the
store in downtown Hyampom (3 businesses).While waiting
for the rest of the drivers,I noticed a (65?) Corvair convertible
in a carport.The owner said that it was for sale,but wasn’t
sure what it was worth.It was in really nice shape,& appeared
to be rust free.
He told me that he was working on his Ultra Van,
which was parked in his yard.
lots of interest on here. i am quite surprised. did anyone mention the last 150 or so came with a corvette v8. 3500 pounds and lots of power. the drive went forward to a drag boat v-drive and back to a corvette independent rear. of course you couldn’t sleep on the bed until the v8 cooled down around midnight or later.
The V8 ones are a horrible idea and while the dif is corvette sourced, the V8’s are run of the mill Chevrolet small block, usually with a 2 barrel carb. The one that was in an episode of Hoarders had that engine setup. They are also the ones that tend to burn to the ground.
The RV was never designed to have a water cooled engine, which means that the back had to be heavily modified to fit a radiator. Rather than an aluminum corvair engine you had a cast iron V8, large cast iron exhaust manifolds, a regular car style transmission, to a short drive shaft into a boat V drive, with another short drive shaft at a weird angle down to a corvette rear dif, with two more drive shafts out to the wheels. It’s a monkey motion nightmare and with mechanical losses I doubt that little v8 made all that much more power than the corvair powerplant, with the added bonus of a LOT more weight in a chassis that tends to rip out and crack because it was intended to have a much lighter and more compact power plant.
There are a LOT of problems with the V8 ones. Now, what would work better in all honesty is to take a compact fuel inject front wheel drive setup out of literally any modern car that makes more than 100 horsepower and to plant that back there. It would be lighter with aluminum parts, and would be simpler and more compact than that V8 setup. A subaru engine swap would be a grand idea. Picture an STI WRX engine setup in there, that would be some serious power in the right form factor to make that RV go way faster than most sane people would want to drive it. Would sure sound cool too. The problem with the V8 is packaging and weight. The power is nice, but the trade offs are not really worth it in this case.
That said, there are still a handful of the v8 ones out there running around.
Not much is simpler or a smaller package than a small block though.
Wow when I saw the pic I said to myself what a pile of junk .Who would want this thing?Evidently alot of people.What amazes me is the fact that so many people on Barn Finds actually have one of these things,and they are trying to get it on the road again.Thats really kinda weird ,and kool at the same time.Good luck guys ,post some pics when they are finished.
I’ve messed with a LOT of old RVs and they can be kinda zen to work on since you’re more or less building a little house, then you get to take it places and see how well what you built ends up working out. I’ve learned plumbing, carpentry, soldering, brazing, wiring, electrical, welding, body panel repair, window installation, insulation, air conditioning, flooring, carpeting, upholstering and the list goes on and on, from working on old cheapo RVs to camp with or take out to events like Burning Man.
They’re money pits, and I usually only used them a couple of times before selling the repaired campers to get something different, but the UltraVan has been something else entirely. It’s SO unusual, and the actual vehicle itself is so well built, and not prone to rot being aluminum, that repairs tend to stay repaired and they’re just such a unique thing to amble about in. Having someone to talk to about it at nearly every stop really is pretty fun. Lot of people think it’s goofy or wouldn’t be caught dead in it, but not a single person has ever been outright hateful about their disdain. Usually it’s confused amusement.
I’ve noticed a bunch of them changing hands in the last few years due to the second or third owners, rarely at this point is it the first owners, getting too old or dying off so their family ends up selling them. I used to be stuck on ‘don’t mess up the originality’ but now days I’m more ‘just keep using it’. It’s a shame if it’s a really nice original unmolested one, but truthfully those are hard to find. This one is one of the most original I’ve seen, but you can see the state it’s in. It’s original because it’s been neglected to the point most everything will need attention to even get it moving again.
It’s hard to say what it’s like driving these without actually just giving someone a ride in it. They’re VERY quiet. The engine is under the bed, under a matress, 20ft away, behind a bedroom door. These are nearly silent in as far as engine noise when going down the road. With carpet and padding in them the interior is remarkably quiet. I’ve ended up leaving the mattress off to the side and bedroom door propped open to keep an ear towards any pinging or other issues while pulling mountains. They’re just, strange all around. If ya see one out and about, be sure to talk to the owner or wave, they’re sure to wave back if they’re not white knuckled death gripping the wheel trying to keep it on the road (that seems to happen a lot, especially if the steering is worn out, hah.)
I’ve heard of the Ultra Van. It’s unforgivable that it was discontinued when it was. For a vehicle like this, I would’ve thought a boxer engine would’ve been preferable over a V8 engine.
The entire coach was designed around a boxer air cooled engine. My father now owns #1, which was the prototype. The story goes that the designer wanted an RV to tow his boat and camp in, and being an aircraft designer he rented a shop and started drawing up plans to make his own RV with the skills he had. He built the first one in California, I forget where exactly, might have been Oakland, and used it for quite a while. He didn’t know what to use for powerplant but happened upon a brand new 1960 corvair that had been T boned, so he bought that and modified the suspension and drivetrain to use in his creation.
People loved it so much that he ended up going into production with them in Hutchinson Kansas, where the bulk of the 300 or so of them were rolled out till they encountered money problems and went out of business and a mysterious fire destroyed the office and most of the business records (huh…how handy).
Part of the problem was for cheaper money you could get a traditional rv on a 1 ton truck chassis like a Winnebago where load weight wasn’t an issue, and fuel prices weren’t much of a concern so the terrible mpg was no big deal.
The best I’ve gotten in mine with a 140 and running only primary carbs instead of the 4 that engine normally uses was a solid 19mpg going to Burning Man and back, which is over some VERY tall passes. Hard to beat that in an RV. It’s 1967 tech that gets about the same mpg as my modern pickup truck.
I’ve read that about the Ultra Van. I read also that when the Corvair was discontinued, he also tried for front-wheel drive, Olds Toronado V8 engine. Unless they made the Ultra Van a larger vehicle, I fail to see how a V8 engine would’ve worked.
Looks like a garbage scow from the Star Wars movie.
I’ve wanted one of these ever since I saw one at an interstate rest stop in the ’70s. This one’s a bit beyond my skill set. I really hope someone saves it and gives it the love & care it deserves…
Um @ jaygryph, do you have some kind of voice activated thing that types out all that?( truth be known, I lost it halfway thru) It would take me a half hour to type all that. Sounds like you da’ person when it comes to the Ultravan. Never ceases to amaze me, how someone can be into something so much, and I’ve never heard of it. It does look like a really neat concept, and I feel, the Corvair mechanics are more than adequate. I’ve been in many different motorhomes, usually ultimate behemoths,( or straight trucks, with a camper on the frame) and this looks to make the most sense. Didn’t the “Commer” have a similar shape? Have fun, you guys.
Hah. That typing class I took in highschool sure paid off. Man I hated that class at the time. Every student should be made to take a few keyboard typing classes throughout their schooling, it really pays off later in life.
I learned all the UltraVan stuff from my parents, who owned my UltraVan before me, then sold it when I was but a little kid. I only within the last several years tracked it down and bought it back into the family.
The floor plan in them is really nice and open, it’s esentially a two room apartment. Bedroom and bathroom at the back and an open living area with kitchen in the front 2/3. The flat floor is great too, one elevation front to back, no climbing a ladder to get into bed. It will easily sleep 5 in it’s current configuration with the large rear bed, a couch that folds into a bed that I added, and the front seats can be turned towards eachother with a spacer in the middle to make the driver and passenger seat into a single bed across the front. That sorta layout is hard to do even in modern RV’s.
Glad to see people enjoy the writing. BarnFinds had asked at one point when the original story about 307 ran if I’d be interested in writing for them, I sorta dropped the ball on getting back to them about that.
I should probably consider that, if they were still interested. It looks like it’d be fun to do!
I actually own two of the Ultra Vans! #380 which is for sale and #398. Everything said above is reasonably accurate. There is an Ultra Van for sale page here, http://www.corvair.org/chapters/ultravan/used.html #380 is there. While I am mainly a Corvair mechanic I am also an aircraft mechanic or rather was, and these are built like an airplane. Any sheet metal can be replaced as it is only curved in one direction. I also need to add that I am working on a redesign of the front suspension although it has already been done once and I am just improving upon the changes. Disc brakes are easily done with the update. There is a lot of update history available within the Ultra club. I would suggest that even if you only have the interest but don’t own one join the club! Follow the links in my above link to find out most anything you want to know.
The picture is of #380 when I picked it up to bring it home.
I was plumbing at a house in Renton, Washington and the neighbor had one in the driveway. About 2.5-3 weeks later was up in Bellingham, Washington doing another plumbing job and at a repair shop on Guide Meridian Road there was another one. Kooky luck- I like old classic RV’s, but the GMC, Travco, Revcon, Airstream/Argosy versions are more to my liking
I agree. I’d buy a Revcon if I could find one in decent condition. I also like the Dodge Travco. The FMC of the 1970s.