Call it a Breadloaf, a Loaf, a Bay Window, a Bay, a Transporter, a Samba, a Type 2, a Kombi, a Bus … or, in this case, a basic post-Chicken Tax VW Van. And, if you squint real hard, you can also call this 1969 example, found here on Facebook Marketplace in St. Petersburg, Florida, a survivor. Barely.
The good news? The seller represents that it runs. “Strong!” It shifts “as it should.” And, as sorta shown, there be parts. You’re gonna need ’em. The bad news? You’ll find it in the photos.
This Loaf’s story is typical. “We were planning to redo it into a camper.” The automotive resto highway is, of course, paved with good intentions. And one-of-these-days VW camper conversions. As the ad notes, “other things have come up.” Funny how that tends to happen.
First, the body. The two holes beneath the fuel filler show why you should never clean a grenade launcher in the vicinity of a motor vehicle. And, Neil Young notwithstanding, rust does sleep. It’s napping just starboard of the twin puncture wounds, consuming the lower quadrant of the slider. A replacement is provided, but this is gonna be more than a simple swap job. But, to be fair, it could be worse.
The apparent exit wounds can be found on the driver’s side. Along with some primitive evidence of the embryonic van conversion attempt. The moon hubs look correct. Further, there’s a lot of “there” there. Most of the stuff that tends to fall off these things has either been replaced or figured out how to defy gravity. You likely won’t wind up on a first name basis with the salvage yard guys.
Although the seller rationed photos of the van’s innards, this shot suggests it might not be the crime scene you’d otherwise expect. Gauges? Check. Door/window handles and panels? Check. Seats? Sorta. In technical lingo, it’s got stuff. At least up front.
The economics? Original MSRP for this baby hovered around $2,400. That’s $16,666 in current currency. All those beastly sixes bought you a 1.6 L, 47 bhp rear-engine heavy breather that was guaranteed to wheeze to a halt well before reaching the 8,100 foot, snow-covered summit of Switzerland’s Grand St. Bernard Pass. All because you and seven of your ski bum friends were too cheap to pay the tunnel toll. Someone ask the monks to unleash the hounds and the brandy casks, please.
Today, the Loaf’s estimated street price is $11,800 for something that’s mechanically functional (it supposedly sorta is – but no engine pix), needing only “minor reconditioning.” This one’s likely gonna require more than a trip to the detailer before it fetches that kind of green, however. At the high end, where the full restorations live, the price guides claim a value of $50,000. If you believe the numbers, you’ve got about $8,000 in low end money to blow on this one before you’re underwater. Or not.
About those parts … the seller’s listed inventory includes a passenger side front door, a passenger side slider, a right rear quarter panel, new windshield, and still-in-the- box taillights. Which, the seller notes, you’ll need to install if you’re planning on scaling the approach to Tampa’s towering Skyway Bridge under the van’s own power. Otherwise, it’s a trailer queen.
Then there’s the “typical rust for the year.” The year was 1969. Remember Woodstock? (HINT #1: Not if you were actually there.) Remember the rain? This one appears to have been caught in the storm. And it seemingly forgot to come back inside. Presuming the integrity’s there and you took your doctorate in welding, the body work is most probably manageable. A minor in upholstery would also be a plus.
Fortunately, parts are available at reasonably reasonable prices. A replacement split front seat, for instance, can be had for under $250. And a full set of vinyl interior panels is yours for less than $700. Some assembly, and lots and lots of free time, required.
The price appears to be in the ballpark. The bones might be poking through the soft tissue, but they’re there. And the inventory of salvageable Type 2’s isn’t growing. Like real estate, they ain’t makin’ ’em anymore. Is this one a contender for a full or partial resto? (HINT #2: If you’re still reading, ask yourself why.)
Where on earth are you getting high number for a 1969 model?
The price guide I have, which is from Old Cars Weekly, says 9 grand is top money in #1 condition.
The big money is for the early multi-window examples.
I bought one last year as a rolling prop for our hippie era film “Summer of ’67″(dot com) , spent several months sorting it and making it drivable for filming, then later resold it for 5K. It had zero rust and good driver quality paint and body. The buyer (one of our cast) is using it for a mobile hippie clothing boutique around Knoxville. The film is showing in a Nashville theater as we speak.
This is the one you bought for a film that was called “Summer of ’67”?
Didn’t it bother you that it would be obvious in the movie the vehicle was a lot newer that you were saying it was?
Modern hippies can’t tell the difference between a bay window and a split.
The people that are going to lay out cash for one of these sure can.
There’s one for sale a block from me in much, much worse shape. Sprayed, by can, blue over bondo everywhere with rot and rust holding it together. He’s at $15,000 firm. Maybe that’s why it’s going on year two for sale. This one’s a bargain by comparison!
I am trying to learn about these.
Mexico is littered with them as they were the close to the only vans available for years.
I am not sure what year they became water cooled, but I intend on learning what I can about them to maybe export some to the US.
It is hard to find one that was taken care of and also that doesn’t have serious rust.
Miguel, I did the numbers on these, and you can make some money, maybe $1000 per vehicle if you find a good shop in Mexico, very hard these days.
I see them cheap, but I don’t know what the common problems are other than they are slugs.
There are some nice ones for a little more money, but again there might be hidden problems I don’t know to look for.
It is going to take some time to research this and learn.
Even people here ask outrageous amounts for the early rust buckets. I am not interested in those though.
Look this over Real good before making Any kind of offer, especially the hot air pipe for the front heating & defroster systems. It’s insulation was great at holding moisture & speeding up the rusting/rotting. I worked as a technician for the VW dealer from ’76 till ’81 so I got to see and drive these . Hippie/nostalgia mobile, yes. Safe to drive, not at all!! Ralph Nader Never crashed one of these into a Cadillac or Lincoln just for “testing purposes” !!! Good luck finding someone who knows how to work on Those drum brakes, much less set points/dwell or carburetor!! Have fun with your new project!
I rented a ‘71 camper for a honeymoon in 74, in Europe. Great fun. No hurry to get anywhere. Got passed by bicycles going over the Alps to Geneva. Camped at the base of Eiffel Tower. Had Belgium plates so no one treated us like Americans. Was much nicer than my own 63 12 window that took me to Woodstock, and everywhere else.
Yes Richard, slow but steady, as I mentioned before, best vehicles ever, at least in my opinion. Got the exact same model as shown above, since 20+ years my trusty companion.