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Speaking In Codes: 1965 Ford Mustang

When talking about early Mustangs, the subject of codes invariably comes up.  Ford, and many other manufacturers at that time, would affix a data plate to their cars.  This plate was stamped with codes that told you how a car was optioned.  The collectability of a Mustang is often determined by the numbers and letters stamped into this plate.  To demonstrate the importance of the data plate, let’s take a look at this 1965 Mustang fastback selling on eBay out of Twin Falls, Idaho. As of this writing, the bidding is at $10,200, with the reserve not being met.  While it is dressed up as a Shelby GT350, let’s take a closer look at the details to see what it should be.

Thanks to the guidance of Mustang Decoder Online, we can decipher the data plate in the picture above.  On a 1965 Mustang, the plate is on the end of the door.  The only hitch is that a few of the letters and numbers are not clear in the photo.  From what we can determine, the plate confirms that the car is a fastback, and that it was a model with a luxury interior and bucket seats.  The color was Ivy Green, which is a 1965 only color.  The interior colors are ivory gold and white, but I am having trouble figuring out the build date due to the lack of clarity in the picture.  It looks to me like 150 or 15D, but those don’t work.  We can tell that the car was shipped to Phoenix, Arizona, and that it has a 2.80:1 rear axle.  Also, it was a three speed manual transmission car.

Is that the guaranteed truth?  Not exactly.  The website reminds us that the car could have ended up with a replacement door from another Mustang.  You also have to take into account that these plates can be purchased and then be stamped with whatever the buyer wants on them.  Mustang experts can go through a car and find alternative ways to verify the plate, and hiring one before making a big purchase is always a good idea.  Our hobby is filled with great people, but con artists and thieves are always on the prowl for the next sucker.

By the bidding price alone, we can tell it is not a real Shelby Mustang.  Chances are that a former owner decided to “Shelby up” this Mustang back when it was more of a used car than it was a collectible.  You have to admit the Wimbledon White paint with the Shelby stripes just looks good.  The eighties style wheels, with oversized tires on the back is pretty consistent with the look of a high school hot rodder modified Mustang from that decade.  All together, its a look that resembles more of a hot mess than a cool ride.  The various bumps, scrapes, and bruises lead us to believe that this Mustang lived its rough life 1/4 mile at a time.

There are also signs that rust may be running rampant underneath.  We have covered Mustangs on these pages that were garaged all of their lives but still have rust problems, so a good look underneath and a thorough inspection of the exterior with a magnet would be in order.  You can get every part imaginable for these cars, but good cars save you money in the long run.

Inside, we see that someone has splurged on new seat covers.  The way they fit suggests that new seat foam wasn’t part of the deal, or maybe new springs were in order as well.  The door sill area doesn’t look rusted out.  Unfortunately, you cannot get a good handle on the condition of the metal under the sill plate and chrome trim.  I am also curious as to how the “brake ducts” were fastened to the body, and if that surface rust around them gets worse behind them.

Taking a closer look at the interior, we can see that the dash is in very useable condition.  The car is also equipped with a column mounted tachometer and a Hurst shifter.  The factory radio appears to still be in the car, but the steering wheel is missing a chunk of plastic at the 9:00 o’clock position.  The door panels look salvageable, and the handles seem to be as well.

Under the hood is where things go south.  We can see a 2X4 holding part of the engine up, and it looks like there is a bolt holding it to the chassis.  In the lower right part of the picture, it looks like maybe part of the transmission, but why do the edges appear so rough?  The sellers list the engine as a V-8, but we have no way of knowing if this is the correct block or is an engine shaped lump of iron dredged from a lake somewhere.  The yellow poly rope helps to float the nautical engine origin theory.

The sellers state that the car was previously found in a New York barn a little over a year ago.  The customer had wanted it restored, but changed his mind.  I wonder why.  My guess is either greater than average amounts of rust were discovered, or some time was spent with a calculator and a Mustang parts catalog.  It is sad to see this car in such a state of affairs.  If the data plate is to believed, the unique exterior and interior color combination would make for a very distinctive Mustang if restored.  I just don’t think you could get out of it financially if a proper restoration were performed.

Comments

  1. Avatar photo Bill

    Get a Marti report

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    • Avatar photo Todd Zuercher

      Too old for a Marti.

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    • Avatar photo will

      Mari Reports start in 1967

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  2. Avatar photo dgrass

    Could that 0 in the date code possibly be a Q?

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    • Avatar photo Paul

      15Q yields March 15, 1965

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  3. Avatar photo Steve R

    The tach is part of a Rally Pac, which was a factory option.

    There is nothing about this car that suggests it spent time on a drag strip. It looks like a beat up 70’s-80’s era play thing.

    Steve R

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  4. Avatar photo sir mike

    Well looking at the motor you see the smog tubing which wouldn’t be on a 65 mtr.

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    • Avatar photo Mike Williams

      In California the ’65’s had smog.

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  5. Avatar photo David

    Just another of the countless Felby (fake Shelby) Mustangs that clog up car shows and cruises. A rather half hearted attempt with a strange starting point, but someone had a dream.
    If the metal is sound, and bodywork decent, it would be worth a few k as starting point.

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  6. Avatar photo JW

    Fastback Mustangs like any Mopar just draw money but if there is a little rust showing on a Mustang there’s a lot more not showing, I know from experience, owned 4 but thank god 2 were brand new ones. I see a money pit on this one.

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  7. Avatar photo Eric G

    It also has a 66 dash

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    • Avatar photo Rob'sGT

      No it doesn’t. It has the correct dash for the deluxe (pony) interior. Body code of 63B supports this.

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    • Avatar photo al8apex

      and 66 Rally Pac

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      • Avatar photo Cool Hand Luke

        Eric G and al8apex, the 1966 dash was part of the Pony Deluxe interior package. It is correct on this car.

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  8. Avatar photo Suttree

    A few years ago old car prices amazed me. Now old ragged car prices amaze me.

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  9. Avatar photo Jose Delgadillo

    Early Mustang fastbacks are popular cars, I’ve seen worse with higher asking prices. I wonder what the reserve is? Verify the VIN codes!

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    • Avatar photo Steve R

      Last time they ran it through eBay the high bid was $9,600. They have a very low sell through rate, so I’d bet the current bid if $10,300 is well below their reserve.

      If this was a 67-68 fastback the bidding would be much higher.

      Steve R

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      • Avatar photo Oldog4tz

        Ahh – greater fool marketing, got it

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  10. Avatar photo Adam Wright

    Nothing wrong with a 65, I have one and love it. Considering a Shelby is six digits, you can have a lot of fun for less.

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    • Avatar photo Mountainwoodie

      Is that an authentic Hertz? Lucky guy. If I had enough cars to have to stack them my guilt would be even greater than it is ! :)

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  11. Avatar photo leiniedude Member

    Not as collectable as that 1960 Mustang that came through the other day.

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  12. Avatar photo Jbones

    This has been on here before.

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  13. Avatar photo will

    Ivy Green interiors are in less than 1% of mustangs but 65 was not the only year cause my 66 race car has an ivy green interior.

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  14. Avatar photo will

    all gt options,all shelby,cobra appropriate upgrades,289 FIA Cobra PLENUM,4 Italian Webers,raced mid ohio,watkins glen

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  15. Avatar photo Robert W. Lovell

    Greetings All,

    My eyes must be going.

    That engine appears to have only one bank of four cylinders?

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  16. Avatar photo Bill B.

    Still a pretty car after all these years and in that condition….

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  17. Avatar photo Stevee

    Shouldn’t there be another VIN on the top of the drivers side inner fender? The outer fender has a notched edge to reveal that number, That would have the C or A engine code in it. Also, don’t GT code cars have to be A code, and have the dual exhausts coming out the rear valance? Don’t have my books at hand, so working off memory…..

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  18. Avatar photo LAWRENCE

    What Steve said….and where’s Kieth ? Doors can be changed so easy on Fords with this data plate thing….would go for those fender #’s on the left and right fender aprons. It was what got my stolen 1965 2+2 back in my possession.

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  19. Avatar photo DanH

    Is that air injection I’m seeing in the engine shot? Lol

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  20. Avatar photo Jeffry Harris

    No Shelby had MUSTANG on the body, it was a Shelby GT 350, so there it ends, and the glove box door has a 67/68 emblem on it. Someone just wanted to make their own Shelby some time long ago.

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  21. Avatar photo leiniedude Member

    Ended: Mar 26, 2018 , 10:30AM
    Winning bid:US $10,600.00
    [ 9 bids

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