The owner of this 1967 Pontiac 2+2 Convertible claims that it is 1-of-10 cars left in existence, and various reliable sources on the internet seem to confirm this fact. That makes this a very rare car, and it looks like it would also be a great prospect for a restoration project. Barn Finder Matt R spotted this beauty for us, so thank you for that Matt. The Pontiac is located in Bremerton, Washington, and is listed for sale here on Craigslist. The owner has set a price of $7,000 for the Convertible. The option is also there to purchase the car with a significant collection of spares and parts, which will push the total price to $8,750.
I’m not going to sit here and try to convince you that a quick buff and polish will make the Pontiac look good, because I know that you won’t believe me. The car needs some fairly major panel-work, with some pretty sizeable dents visible around the car. What does catch my eye is the lack of major rust issues. There is some in the lower quarter panels and around the rear wheel arches. There are also some smaller spots visible in the lower fenders and rockers, but as best as can be seen in the photos, the floors look like they might all be solid. So that’s some good news to start the day.
The interior is going to need some restoration, but it does appear that it is largely complete. The upholstery on the seats and door trims looks like it might be okay, and I think that the dash pad has survived without any cracks. The dash itself also looks like it is original. This car is fitted with the Strato buckets seats, although it doesn’t appear as though the original owner ticked the box for the floor console. The owner also refers to the car as being fitted with the gauge package, but this looks like a standard set of Pontiac gauges to me, with the addition of what appears to be an aftermarket vacuum gauge. If I’m wrong on that point, I’m happy to be corrected.
There are no engine photos, and it’s unfortunate that this isn’t a numbers-matching car. While it is fitted with a 428ci V8, this one is dated as 1969. However, it has only clocked about 2,000 miles since a rebuild, so is nice and fresh. The transmission is a 4-speed manual, which I believe has had some recent work, while the rear end has been fitted with new bearings. The front end has also recently been rebuilt, and while the Pontiac was originally a “hubcap” car, it is now fitted with the very desirable 8-lug wheels.
This 1967 2+2 is a really interesting car, and it comes with some PHS documentation to verify its authenticity. It needs some work, but we’ve definitely seen cars in worse condition brought back to life. The 2+2 doesn’t come onto the market terribly often, but they have been steadily increasing in value. The two most recent examples that I have been able to find were both sold in 2017. One was a numbers-matching car, while the other wasn’t. The numbers-matching car sold early in the year for $24,000, while the other car sold later in the year for $29,500. Since then the market trends show a value increase of around 30%, which means that when restored, a car like this should be worth around $40,000. There are certainly some possibilities with this one.
Still…a big rare Cat on the prowl….and with out power windows ? ….yes they knew what they were ordering………..
There could possibly be 10 2+2 4 speed convertibles left but I’d doubt that low of a number would apply to 2+2 automatic convertibles. The parts come with the car if someone pulls the trigger at $7,000, but not the engine. To get the engine you will need to pay $8,750.
It’s a cool car, but I’d like to see pictures of the PHS documentation and the engine. There is probably significant, and expensive rust repair needed, that might play havoc with restoration costs. For example, if this car came with a console, that is going to be expensive to source, then restore.
Thanks Steve….didn’t read…..that’s crap on the engine costing more….the seller will find out – there’s maybe 10 people with money and desire for it.
05 June 2023
I have a 1967 Pontiac 2+2 Convertible 327 auto trans, For Sale, complete car, but rusty, Rare car, could be workable. Thanks for looking.
To all full size Pontiac owners. Please please stop putting 8 lugs on these cars. If it didn’t come with them then it shouldn’t have them. Same goes for the tri powers. You’re just making the car look foolish.
Wow, you’re probably the first person I’ve ever seen complain about 8 lugs……
8 lugs were an option until 1968 so it would be correct, and seeing them on a 2+2 would be more correct than seeing them on a wagon or a Catalina sedan, they were a Pontiac option and they were something unique to Pontiac.
Maybe you just like to complain for the sake of complaining…….
@Ralph. Why would 8 lugs be necessary anyway. Most British cars have either 4 or 5 wheel nuts and even the older American cars that I have owned only had 5 or 6 and I never had a wheel come off any of them except my “51 Buick Super, and that was only because I had them plastic coated and forgot to tighten them up after a few miles of hard cornering.
It’s not about the lugs—those wheels were designed with aluminum fins to dissipate heat. This was pre-disc brakes, and they were innovative at the time. Once disks came out, they weren’t necessary and were discontinued in 68. As Ralph said, they’re totally correct on any performance-oriented full-size Pontiac and are very desirable.
i had a 1967 2+2 and it came with 8 lug wheels.i wish i still had it.
I just can’t understand why people think that by making 8 lug wheels would be of any benefit to a very high powered car when by making the same wheel have 8 holes instead of the standard 5 holes they are actually making the wheel more dangerous by taking away some of the steel that makes the wheel stronger. It’s a bit like perforating the steel, like toilet paper IMHO.
Back in 1979, my neighbour had the Canadian version of this car, with the 396/350 hp, and Th400. It was a nice car, and built on the Chevy frame, so it had the shorter wheelbase. I don’t know whether it would be as desirable as the American version, but it was a very nice car.
The styling of these beasts is nice, and I love the wheels, but it is too large for my taste. I prefer the mid body cars. I hope it finds a good home.
Bob
Bob S. – I’ve both heard of as well as seen the Canadian versions… as far as I can recall the differences you mentioned were correct (Chevy drivetrain & frame) but I was always told that the difference in the frames was the width (Pontiac’s big slogan at the time was “Wide Track”) & not a shorter wheelbase – this would mean different body panels – which would be pretty expensive for a relatively small volume.
I don’t think the Canadian built cars were wide track. I had a 61 Canadian built Parisienne, and Canadian 63 Strato Chief, and neither of them was a wide track car. It was just the Chevy suspension. I saw a few of the American cars up here, and I don’t know if they were imported from the US, or purchased from the dealer, but when compared side by side, they were a very different looking car. I was madly in love with the 61 Catalina, and remember them well.
Bob
67 Impala and Canadian B-Body Pontiac’s rode on a 119″ wheel base., The American Pontiac Catalina had a 121″ wheel base, Sadly there is very little sheet metal that is interchangeable. Doors and maybe the Deck lid, Hoods are completely different. US version extended to the windshield and had hidden wipers. Canadian version had the Chevrolet style exposed wiper arrangement on a fixed vent panel and the hood was shorter. . I’m also told that the front fenders of the Canadian are a bit shorter than the US counterpart. because the alignment of the front axle is closer to the a pillar.
This car has been on C/L off and on for years. I don’t know why it hasn’t changed hands. Bremerton isn’t that far from larger cities of Tacoma and Seattle. Perhaps the NOM is a turnoff.
Perhaps being sold as having an engine for additional money is the turnoff. Hmmm?
I would guess that the price is a bit high in relationship to the work that needs to be done. If the factory engine was in the car that price might be right even with rust, but as is it’s not really as valuable. Oddly, everytime it shows up on Ebay or CL. the price seems to go up a couple hundred dollars. as If he just isn’t’ asking enough to get people interested.
like 70SuperSport said – this thing has been run on CL here in Seattle for at least two years. Looks like they’ve tinkered with it a bit since the last time I clicked on the ad (over a year ago, but I still see it posted).
Good luck to the seller. Seems like a cool car with manual and all so I figure something must be up that isn’t in the pics or it would’ve moved by now.
Looks like the designer had a crush on the Manta Ray fish judging by the front view. That’s one ugly front end.
Didn’t they make one of these into the Monkeymobile? LOL
That was heavily modified GTO , not a full size Pontiac
Rare or not, this car is going to take a lot to be restored . I don’t agree about the comment of “lack of rust” , it seems to have a whole lot of it – both quarters need replacing and probably the wheel arches – and who knows what damage lies underneath that dented one. Both front fenders are bad, they are one year only fenders and 2+2s are the only ones with louvers, so there’s going to be some patching if you cant find replacements . The interior shows that dampness has got in somehow, so who knows what you would find there ; assume most of the interior will need replacing. And ragtops leak, so the rear areas and floors may be heavily rusted and finding seals and a new top is going to be big money . That and its not the original motor would make me pass on this one, even though I really like the looks of the 67 full size Pontiacs !
I’ve seen this car. I’ve purchased misc pontiac stuff from him in the past. He’s an alright guy. The car looks better in these photos than real life. It could be brought back but the bodywork at the rear is very extensive. The tail panel has been crushed in in a way that I’d imagine it would be a bear of a job to get the rear quarters to mate to a new tail panel with good reference for alignment. That was the outstanding turnoff for me. Not for the faint hearted.
I spent 2 years restoring my 67 Grand Prix convertible so I’ve learned a lot about how Pontiac cleverly made multiple models out of the same basic components. The good news is most of the 67 2+2 is just a Catalina (or Grand Prix), so many parts are relatively easy to find. The front fenders with louvers are unique, as are many of the trim nameplates, but most of the body panels and dash elements are standard fullsize. It would have had a console originally, same style as other fullsize with different wood applique, although the 4-speed version is much rarer. Interior parts are all available, and the dash on this looks surprisingly good—it probably came from another car. The optional gauges are there, next to the speedometer on either side under the same clear panel. The gauges are a bit hard to source if they aren’t working. If the 8-lugs are good, they’re worth $2–3,000. All that said, this one needs a LOT of love on body and interior, and who knows what’s going on underneath.
I love a good Nick Nolte style crappy ragtop. I’d clean up the interior, add carpet and just drive it as is. The next guy can restore it.
Bob S. – you are correct – I think I wasn’t clear with how I worded it… the U.S. Pontiacs were “Wide Track” (Pontiac frame & suspension), while the Canadian Pontiacs had the narrower Chevy frame & suspension.
The details (trim/grilles/tail lights) are usually different too – close sometimes, but not the same.
No big deal, I just wanted to make the point about how much I loved the wide track look. I also agree that even though they looked similar, there were a lot of little differences between the American and the Canadian versions of the brand. Another example, is that all the Canadian cars had the small and big block Chevy engines. The only place you could find a Pontiac based engine here, was in a GMC truck.
Bob
My first new car was a ’67 Catalina Convert in that same shade of blue. I ordered it with a 4-speed and a bench seat. The dealer told me that I had to have buckets because the transmission wouldn’t fit under a bench. I told him to go ahead and order the car with a floor mounted 3-speed and power steering. (I was a young man and had plans for the bench seat) The dealer called me back the next day and said that he could indeed order the 4-speed with the bench but I told him to submit the order the way it was. The car had a 4-bbl and duals and man, would it go ! I only kept it for a couple of years but I often wonder how rare that drivetrain combo would be today. I currently own a ’65 Catalina convert with an automatic. I love those big Ponchos !!!
@TominPS. Thanks for clarifying the 8 lug story. I have always wondered why they were ever needed. I thought the reason might be for strength on the drag strips.
The center part of the wheel you see is the outside of the brake drum, so it’s exposed for max cooling, the wheel bolts around the rim, its a very cool design.
I read that the 8 lugs were designed to provide additional cooling for the Nascar vehicles, (Back when they still ran real cars on the track) but dang they looked good.
That’d slow down pit stops for sure…..
Very clever. Looks like a VW Beetle idea brake drum but with fins.
Now I’m not so sure, I’ve only found one 1960 photo with 8-lugs on a stockcar. None on 62 or 63 and Pontiac was basically out of stockcar for the remainder of the 60’s, (because GM said so, but then let Chevrolet continue racing) Hence the 64 GTO.
Those 8 lug wheels are to beautiful to beat up on a track. My two all time favourite wheels are, the Pontiac 8 lug and the Corvette knockoffs.
Bob
There are a lot of photos of them on the drag cars. Maybe they were a lot lighter than the steel drums, One of these days I’ll have to take a scale outside and see what the difference between them is.
The car does have the optional gauge package. Look at the speedo photo, there are two small gauges on each side of the speedo. Only ever saw a few of them with the gauge pack.